Slogging through the daily challenges of living in a world gripped by COVID-19, it can be hard to imagine an end to the. But , director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, assured Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates Monday that the world will get there. Gates and actor and activist Rashida Jones interviewed Fauci on the first episode of their new podcast, .
Jones began the pair’s podcast by admitting she’s worried about the future, and Gates immediately responded with, “I actually think things will be all right.” He went on to say that “the likelihood of many of these vaccines working is actually pretty high.”
When Fauci joined the podcast, he reiterated that people will need to, wash hands frequently and social distance to get safely through the upcoming winter, and he discussed the challenges of successfully distributing a . But he ended on a positive note.
“I want to tell people, don’t give up,” Fauci said. “This is going to end. Science is going to help us with a vaccine and therapy, and if we pay attention to the public health measures, we can gain control of it. The thing you don’t want to happen is that people said, ‘I’ve done this so long. I’m tired of it. The heck with it. I’m just going to go out there and do what I want to do.'”
In other podcast highlights, Gates joked with Jones that one of the first things he wants to do after the pandemic is to hug singer Bono, saying, “We do a lot of our foundation work with Bono and he’s always very affectionate and energetic.”
Gates also compared anti-mask wearers to nudists.
“The idea that somebody’s resisting wearing a mask, that is such a weird thing to me,” he said. “I mean what are these, like, nudists? I mean, you know, what, we ask you to wear pants. And, you know, no American says, or very few Americans say that that’s like some terrible thing.”
You can listen to the entire podcast or read the transcript at GatesNotes.com.
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